026: Kinder

Published On October 18, 2016 | I’VE KNOWN YOU TOO LONG, PODCASTS


The podcast returns after a break of many months to find Dave sitting down with drummer extraordinaire Eric Kinder. The discussion takes the usual twists and turns and, with the addition of Soto Rebelos in seat #2, some of the hazier details are filled in. Some truly great fight stories pop up in this one, including previously unknown details of an event that was part of Dave’s inspiration for writing THE EDGE OF QUARREL.

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Most of these conversations will contain shorthand speech and insider info that both parties will be familiar with and won’t necessarily stop to explain for the listener. Whenever possible, Dave will provide some after-the-fact definitions and descriptions. Like your own personal eavesdropping translator.

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MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

10:07: Kinder Drummed for these guys. Matsuoka (Podcast episode 13) sang and played guitar. Excursion released various records. Click HERE.

DEMPSEY: A post-UNDERTOW band that Kinder played in. Click HERE.

BALANCE OF THE WORLD / SPEARHEAD: Click HERE.

SAINT JAMES INFIRMARY: Click HERE.

TIME IN MALTA: Click HERE.

DIGH DOWN: A short-lived band made up of Kinder, Dave, Ron Guardipee, Mark Holcom and Ryan Murphy from UNDERTOW, and Kinder. Click HERE.

Soto: Soto Rebelos. See episode 11 of this podcast.

Doug Lawless: The Proper Way to Eat Crazy Bread: Click HERE.

The Party Hall: Often discussed and long defunct Seattle rental hall that as the scene of many amazing shows. You can see it in THIS video.

Washington Hall: Many all ages shows happened here, mostly before the Party Hall got going. You can see it in THIS video.

FACE FIRST: A Straight Edge Hardcore band that Soto & Kinder played in before 10:07.

HATEFUL YOUTH: The band Dave refers to TWICE as “Hated Youth” before Soto corrects him. Sorry Ron! Click HERE.

SHELTER: Click HERE.

JUDGE: One of the best SXE Hardcore the ever was or ever will be. Click HERE.

INSIDE OUT: One of the best Hardcore bands anyone ever saw. After they broke up in 1991, singer Zack de la Rocha went on to form RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE. Click HERE and HERE.

UNDERTOW: Click HERE.

CHAIN OF STRENGTH: A much loved Straight Edge hardcore band. Click HERE.

GALLEON’S LAP: Almost no one knows about this band and it’s an absolute shame. Click HERE.

HIMSA: THIS VIDEO has Bigfoots.

Carrie Whitney: See episode 23 of this podcast.

Bret Van Horn: See episode 15 of this podcast.

Bill Baker: See episode 3 of this podcast.

BAD RELIGION: Click HERE.

THE CULT: Click HERE.

CIRCLE JERKS: Click HERE.

MINOR THREAT: THE band. THE song. Click HERE.

DEAD KENNEDYS: Hugely popular early American Hardcore Punk band, known for political lyrics, troubling artwork, and a distinctive sound with a surf music vibe. Click HERE.

D.R.I.: The most mentioned band of this podcast. Click HERE.

CRYPTIC SLAUGHTER: Click HERE.

THE ACCUSED: Fairly well known and definitely important Seattle “splattercore” band. Click HERE, and HERE.

R.K.L.: Click HERE.

THE MISFITS: Not JEM’s enemy band. The other one. Click HERE.

Fallout: Fallout Records and Skateboards. A Seattle institution. RIP. Click HERE.

BAD BRAINS: Click HERE.

LEEWAY: Click HERE.

ANTHRAX: Click HERE.
For “I’m the Man” Click HERE.
And for context, click HERE.

SLAYER: Click HERE.

METALLICA: Click HERE.

MEGADETH / Dave Mustaine: Click HERE.
The song is called “Sweating Bullets.” Couldn’t find the Beavis & Butthead part.

QUICKSAND: Click HERE and HERE.

Zack De La Rocha: Click HERE.

Greg Anderson: Click HERE.

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE: Click HERE.

AGNOSTIC FRONT: Classic NYHC. Click HERE.

STRAIN: Vancouver, BC Hardcore. Click HERE.

CHRIST ON A CRUTCH: A Washington D.C. band who moved out to Seattle and continued with the inclusion of Nate Mendel on Bass. Click HERE.

Straight Edge: A lifestyle choice of abstinence from drugs and alcohol that originated in the Washington DC punk scene in the early 1980s. It quickly caught fire in the minds of weirdos everywhere and spread worldwide. The X is used as its symbol, and SXE is how you shorthand it.

OUTRIGHT: Classic NW Hardcore band.

JESTERS OF CHAOS: Click HERE.

GORILLA BISCUITS: NY Hardcore band with a melodic sound. They pulled a lot of people over to Hardcore who might not otherwise have payed attention. Click HERE.

RESOLUTION: Post-BROTHERHOOD band. Click HERE.

UNIFORM CHOICE: Classic Southern CA Straight Edge. Again, an early influence for many. Click HERE.

Ron: Ron Guardipee – See episode 6 of this podcast.

BORN AGAINST: Killer band with THE BEST BAND NAME EVER. Click HERE.

RORSCHACH: The band, not the test. Or the guy. Click HERE.

DOWNCAST: Hardcore band with releases on Ebullition Records. Click HERE.

JAWBREAKER: Ever notice that this is the ONE band everybody loves? It’s no coincidence. Click HERE.

ECONOCHRIST: Click HERE.

SUNNY DAY REAL ESTATE: They were originally called CHEWBACCA KABOOM. Click HERE.

YOUTH OF TODAY: Incredibly influential SXE Hardcore band. Click HERE.

7 SECONDS: Classic, influential early Hardcore band. Click HERE.

SEAWEED: Click HERE.

INTO ANOTHER: Click HERE.

SAMIAM: Click HERE.

FORCED DOWN: Click HERE.

The Edge of Quarrel: Dave’s Punk vs. Straight Edge gang movie from the late 90s. Click HERE.

Chainsaw Orchestra: The first LP from 10:07. A near-totally-unknown masterpiece.

BULL GOOSE LOONY: One of Dave’s bands from the Bellingham days. Click HERE.

Matt: Matt Matsuoka. A true madman. Singer/Guitarist for 10:07, RED ROCKET, THE HIT, and others. Writer/Director of the films “Heartbreak Beat” and “For The Cash.” Has an alter-ego called “Thee Ultramatt”. Has long held that Dave Larson’s film “The Edge Of Quarrel” contains secret gay messages. See episode 13 of this podcast. Also THIS PODCAST. And also creates animation. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE.

EARTH CRISIS: Click HERE.

STRIFE: Click HERE.

108: Click HERE.

JIMMY EAT WORLD: Click HERE.

RED ROCKET: Post-10:07 band featuring Matt Matsuoka. Dave released a full length CD called “July” on Excursion.

THE INDEPENDENTS: Click HERE.

The Mandela Effect: It’s real. Click HERE and HERE.

FIFTEEN: Click HERE.

Jody from STRAIN: Much missed singer and good friend.

BROTHERHOOD: Early Seattle Straight Edge Hardcore. Set the stage for everything to come. Click HERE.

THE CRIMINALS: Click HERE.

AMERICAN STEEL: Click HERE.

COMMUNIQUE: Click HERE.

LILLIX: Click HERE.

CHEAP TRICK: Click HERE.

GREEN DAY: Click HERE.



I’VE KNOWN YOU TOO LONG

David Larson is a screenwriter from the Seattle area who ran an independent record label called EXCURSION for many years. Over the course of the last three decades, Dave has formed friendships with a large number of people who have made an artistic impact, mostly in the world of Punk Rock and Hardcore music. Many of these people have gone on to greater and more varied adventures in the worlds of art, film, music, politics, and activism. In this podcast, Dave uses the timeline of their first meeting to explore back and forth through their histories to try and gain a better understanding of how they came to be the people they are today.

They say history is written by the conquerors, and while none of these campaigns are complete yet, it is time to get some of these tales nailed down before they are lost to time and age.


Check out Dave’s episode of the WORD ON THE STREET podcast HERE.

Check out Dave and Ron Guardipee’s episode of the EDGELAND podcast HERE.

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