John and Dave share a love of many things, from Straight Edge to skateboarding to The Cure, to apparently Miss Michaelanne, who makes one of her unplanned drop-ins on the recording to hang out next to John. Those two have also known each other too long, it turns out. “Did you ever hang out at the Fall City park-n-ride?” is an actual question between them, and the answer probably won’t surprise you. Somehow Dave manages to keep the interview on track and his relationship intact despite JP’s intentions, and digs into tales of youthful violence and revenge, breakdancing and graffiti, and life-altering Punk Rock shows in the 80s.
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Most of these conversations will contain shorthand speech and insider info that both parties will be familiar with and won’t necessarily stop to explain for the listener. Whenever possible, Dave will provide some after-the-fact definitions and descriptions. Like your own personal eavesdropping translator.
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MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:
HIMSA: CLICK HERE.
UNDERTOW: CLICK HERE.
The Edge of Quarrel: Dave’s Punk vs. Straight Edge gang movie from the late 90s. Click HERE.
BROTHERHOOD: Early Seattle Straight Edge Hardcore. Set the stage for everything to come. Click HERE.
REFUSE: Early Seattle SXE band that became UNDERTOW.
FIRST STEP: A late 80s Straight Edge band from Bellingham, WA. Not to be confused with THE FIRST STEP from North Carolina.
Bill: Bill Baker. See episode 3 of this podcast.
Ron: Ron Guardipee. See episode 6 of this podcast.
GRAY MATTER: CLICK HERE.
Greg, Kiersten, Julie, Bret, Lenny, Curtis: Movers and shakers in late 80s/early 90s Seattle HC.
THE ACCUSED: CLICK HERE.
THE DEHUMANIZERS: CLICK HERE.
THE MENTORS: CLICK HERE.
BEAT HAPPENING: CLICK HERE.
Estrus Records: CLICK HERE.
Straight Edge: A lifestyle choice of abstinence from drugs and alcohol that originated in the Washington DC Punk scene in the early 1980s. It quickly caught fire in the minds of weirdos everywhere and spread worldwide. The X is used as its symbol, and SXE is how you shorthand it. Dave Larson has been Straight Edge since he was 16 years old, because he’s stubborn. (And John even more so, apparently.)
Night Flight: CLICK HERE.
Radio 1990: CLICK HERE.
THE CULT: CLICK HERE.
THE CURE: CLICK HERE.
Red Dawn: CLICK HERE.
THE SMITHS: The band Morrissey sang in before he went solo. Click HERE.
Grease: CLICK HERE.
QUEEN: CLICK HERE.
Freddie Mercury: Isolated vocal track. CLICK HERE.
Curtis Blow: CLICK HERE.
SUGAR HILL GANG: CLICK HERE.
Morrissey: CLICK HERE.
BAUHAUS: CLICK HERE.
SISTERS OF MERCY: CLICK HERE.
El Corazon: The club John refers to. CLICK HERE.
Demian: Demian Johnston. See episode 16 of this podcast.
Thrasher Magazine: CLICK HERE.
THE MISFITS: CLICK HERE.
THE CRAMPS: CLICK HERE.
Dave Gahan: CLICK HERE.
AFI: Check out this video featuring John on stage with them live. CLICK HERE.
BLACK FLAG: CLICK HERE.
Aggression Skates: Dave’s skate shop from the 80s. Read about it HERE.
Rodney Mullen: CLICK HERE.
Carl: Carl Duvall. See episode 17 of this podcast.
Fallout: CLICK HERE.
Flipside: CLICK HERE.
MRR: Maximum Rock & Roll: Extremely idealistic and political Punk Rock publication out of San Francisco. Absolutely crucial for information in the days before the internet. Click HERE.
The Bones Brigade Documentary: Crucial viewing. CLICK HERE.
BUTTHOLE SURFERS: CLICK HERE.
MUDHONEY: CLICK HERE.
TAD: CLICK HERE.
ADD ODDS: Dave’s first band. They played covers of MINOR THREAT and THE DRUNK INJUNS and had an original song called “Leave My Chones Alone”. There is no recorded evidence of this.
FEEDING THE CAUSE: A short-lived NW hardcore band.
7 SECONDS: Classic, influential early Hardcore band. Click HERE.
CIRCLE JERKS: Click HERE.
SGM: CLICK HERE.
ALPHABET SWILL: Mysterious band that featured a couple of members who went on to play in Seaweed. There was supposed to be a split 7” with NIRVANA back in the day, but it never happened. I’m guessing they wouldn’t be quite so mysterious if it had.
SEAWEED: CLICK HERE.
FUGAZI: CLICK HERE.
JESTERS OF CHAOS: CLICK HERE.
ASPIRIN FEAST: CLICK HERE.
Bret Van Horn: See episode 15 of this podcast.
WIDE AWAKE: CLICK HERE.
YOUTH OF TODAY: SXE band that Ray Cappo sang for. Click HERE.
GORILLA BISCUITS: NY Hardcore band with a melodic sound. They pulled a lot of people over to Hardcore who might not otherwise have payed attention. Click HERE.
JUDGE: One of the best SXE Hardcore the ever was or ever will be. Click HERE.
INTEGRITY: CLICK HERE.
RINGWORM: CLICK HERE.
WRECKING CREW: CLICK HERE.
SSD: SS DECONTROL. Short for Society System Decontrol, which can be shortened even more to SSD. An early 80s Boston SXE band. Click HERE.
Another State Of Mind: A hugely influential Hardcore Punk documentary that used to show late night on cable. An absolute must see. Click HERE.
Mike Ness: CLICK HERE.
SOCIAL DISTORTION: CLICK HERE.
Soto: See episode 11 of this podcast.
Jake Snider: See episode 7 of this podcast.
BL’AST!: CLICK HERE.
HEADFIRST: CLICK HERE.
GALLEON’S LAP: CLICK HERE.
UNIFORM CHOICE: John is talking about their later-era stuff. CLICK HERE.
UNBROKEN: Click HERE.
HEIRESS: John’s current band. Click HERE.
Nate Turpen: See episode 5 of this podcast.
Aaron Edge: See episode 14 of this podcast.
IAMTHETHORN: John sang for this one too, and Dave’s in the video. Click HERE.
Matt Matsuoka: See episode 13 of this podcast.
TEN-O-SEVEN: Matt Matsuoka’s old band. Click HERE.
THE TOKIN’ ASIAN: Another podcast on this network.
Aram: Aram Arslanian (The Canadian SXE one). See episode 10 of this podcast.
Bombshelter Videos: Click HERE.
In the Crowd:
THE EDGE OF QUARREL Overdubs:
BROTHERHOOD 7” Back Cover:
I’VE KNOWN YOU TOO LONG
David Larson is a screenwriter from the Seattle area who ran an independent record label called EXCURSION for many years. Over the course of the last three decades, Dave has formed friendships with a large number of people who have made an artistic impact, mostly in the world of Punk Rock and Hardcore music. Many of these people have gone on to greater and more varied adventures in the worlds of art, film, music, politics, and activism. In this podcast, Dave uses the timeline of their first meeting to explore back and forth through their histories to try and gain a better understanding of how they came to be the people they are today.
They say history is written by the conquerors, and while none of these campaigns are complete yet, it is time to get some of these tales nailed down before they are lost to time and age.
Check out Dave’s episode of the WORD ON THE STREET podcast HERE.